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WATCH: Michigan Senate Majority Leader Says Capitol Takeover Was ‘Staged’ and a ‘Hoax’ in Secretly Recorded Convo

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WATCH: Michigan Senate Majority Leader Says Capitol Takeover Was ‘Staged’ and a ‘Hoax’ in Secretly Recorded Convo

Michigan State Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey was caught on camera telling officials from the Hillsdale County Republican Party that the Capitol takeover was “staged” and a “hoax.”

“It was all staged,” Shirkey says during the secretly recorded lunch meeting on Feb. 3.

In the footage, which is over an hour long, Shirkey also says that Mitch McConnell “was part of it… They wanted to have a mess” so that they could impeach Donald Trump.

The video was posted on YouTube by Hillsdale County Republican Party Secretary Jon Smith, who is upset with Shirkey for repeatedly caving to Democrats.

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During the conversation, Shirkey says that the January 6 protest “wasn’t Trump people.”

“That’s been a hoax from day one, that was all pre-arranged,” Shirkey adds, asserting that the people “went in on separate buses, that was all arranged by somebody that was funding everyone.”

“Why wasn’t there more security? It was ridiculous, it was all staged,” he continued.

Transcription of video below article (not 100% accurate)

Shirkey issued an apology for his comments in a statement released on Tuesday.

“I said some things in a videoed conversation that are not fitting for the role I am privileged to serve,” the statement said. “I own that. I have many flaws. Being passionate coupled with an occasional lapse in restraint of tongue are at least two of them.”

In a subsequent statement, Shirkey added that “I frankly don’t take back any of the points I was trying to make.”

“Some of the words I chose I do regret,” he said.

The Hillsdale County Republican Party voted voted 14-5 to censure Shirkey on Monday for not standing up to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on lockdowns and supporting a ban on the open carrying firearms at the state Capitol “when no violent attack with firearms has ever taken place.”

The party is also upset with Shirkey for calling armed protesters who stormed the state Capitol in April “a bunch of jackasses.”

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0:01
Just because not everyone’s most vocal doesn’t mean they don’t share that opinion, you know?

0:26
endorsing Julie Yeah, yeah. I got an email back saying why why are you forcing someone else?

1:02
Hey, what’s up?

1:17
What do you guys order?

1:24
date nights my

1:30
wife and I are going on a date. We haven’t done that in 10 years.

1:35
So, so it’s not just COVID fault. Oh no, it’s not just COVID

1:40
No.

1:42
I

1:43
think we’re just gonna go to the Hunt Club.

1:46
Yeah.

1:48
Are you calling into seven districts meeting? Yeah, we got to do that during date night. But

1:54
when you when you’re committed, you’re committed you know that. So? Yeah.

2:01
So what’s new?

2:03
What’s new with

2:05
Whitmer?

2:11
Oh, sorry. No, did

2:14
you

2:19
get a waterfall waterfall?

2:22
I don’t

2:37
we go on

2:44
we got a quorum here.

2:52
Can I get you to

2:54
die please?

3:13
You guys ordering food?

3:15
I will if you guys do if you don’t want to

3:19
watch

3:23
what do you get out the house? I’ll get Harry out.

3:37
Here order food.

3:41
So to

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text my wife sushi.

3:50
Girl ham and cheese.

3:55
Thank you.

4:03
She come here. It was opened up Mike.

4:12
What do you think about that DHS?

4:21
tried to get that

4:24
combination. He when he came to the guestspy he said he got a $10,000 check.

4:30
from an outside source. That’s amazing.

4:33
No patriots out no country.

4:38
So it’s about you got you get your meeting. No, I thought I’d give you guys a chance to actually confront somebody rather than

4:49
just have it up.

4:51
Well,

4:53
sure, it’s your your show. I’m here to listen to you make the accusations and

4:57
find out whether or not you actually know what you’re talking about.

5:00
Okay, um, well, I guess if you want to go over the central paperwork.

5:07
Okay.

5:09
Well, what did you, you want to you want to go down the list is that what is

5:15
that? Why don’t we just go down and take it orally so we can stay on topic? Well, yeah, because

5:20
and I want to know, I have for two weeks now, I’ve asked for an opportunity to talk to the entire committee and I’ve not got an answer from me on that.

5:29
Email, so I sent it to you and ask you to sit there while we share the same email.

5:37
You Yeah, that’s that’s why as far as sitting with like, the whole, like,

5:47
yeah, like, like a business like our business meetings. Yeah. Yeah, we were we were gonna do that this for tomorrow. Well, I got an email an agenda that somebody else stated to talk and so Oh, yeah, yeah, we did. We we would. We don’t that’s okay. We can still do that. So yeah.

6:06
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I mean,

6:13
did you want to get like, okay, the support of banning firearms at the Michigan State Capitol with no violent attack with firearms has ever taken place.

6:23
What do you know about what do I know about what the support that they use supported that particular claim? The claim that you support the banning of firearms at Michigan State Capitol? Yeah. What can I get for you today? I’ll just take like, the cheeseburger meal. Or you. I’ll take it I’ll get it to go.

6:42
Yeah, so

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medium

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pepper jack.

6:51
It was really gonna.

6:52
Just cheese lettuce mayo. Bacon.

6:58
No, ketchup, mustard. Ketchup. No, no mustard pickles. And then do you want the chips like almond butter french fries. Oh, fries.

7:09
Good. Does anybody else got grilled ham and cheese? Cheese. Please. Can I get mail on the side?

7:21
White bread. You got sourdough? soda. American cheese please. And find the May one side please.

7:31
Um, I’ll do the fries.

7:35
Anyone that are here? Oh, yes. Okay.

7:39
Okay, I just heard from you. Was the takeout.

7:43
Okay.

7:50
I like the Frisco burger that comes on sourdough bread has bacon, tomato and mayo on that.

7:56
I like our practices, our fingers. Spanglish practice piece is probably our best deal on that that comes with a backup.

8:08
Right. Okay, so no.

8:13
Our mac and cheese, our spaghetti. Fettuccine Alfredo, they’re probably going to warm up better. They’re probably gonna give me a letter about mac and cheese. Do you want a mac and cheese dinner? Do you just want to cite a mac and cheese? side? Thank you. You’re welcome. Anything for you? No.

8:31
I’m good. I’ll pick up the pick though. Okay.

8:35
You don’t have to do that.

8:37
Right here.

8:42
Yeah. So we’re not going to sit here and defend our position. Just keeping it clear to you. Right? This is what we witnessed. And this what we’re seeing is we have we’re witnessing

8:54
we’re witnessing you the sport of banning firearms at the state capitol is a prime example.

8:59
You tell me. I’m asking you what do you know about this? Well, I’m at telling you, why don’t you tell me about it. Just so you know nothing?

9:06
Mike, I don’t owe you anything.

9:10
Because when you make an accusation, you owe it to the person you’re choosing to tell them what you know, so that they know what the hell whether you know, you know, anything or not sure. So, so do you want to I think the first thing should be like, did you support it? Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay.

9:29
That’s all we need to know.

9:32
If the world was that simple to you, my friend. You are in a deep ship trouble. Yeah, I’m aware.

9:38
Attorney General made that made him said that the

9:42
Capital Commission which I happen to disagree with, I’m sorry. Okay. Historical.

9:50
preservation of the capital also has responsibility for scheduling. Okay, openings claims, where offices are actually

10:00
I am for all rules regulations related to gun. Okay, okay, administrative. And they were this close to banning organs, putting metal detectors in your name

10:16
and

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not illegal for the government.

10:21
There’s like 12 states that have been set Texas being at is Obamacare and not saying they’re not wrong, or they’re

10:30
saying, well, then they have then somebody has challenges in about 16 other states. That’s what I’m saying. So now I did say that. And I have said and I continue to say that the way some of those folks were displaying and hearing their open carry in the galleries over above the Senate in the house was completely agreed. In fact, I call them jackasses about for not all, but there’s about 14 there were a complete jacket. And so I did some heavy negotiating with conditions in

11:07
the open carry, which requires no changes physically to the building, but I put metal

11:13
and then people can conceal carry.

11:19
When

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you might. No, I don’t think so at all. No, I mean, I I’m I don’t like politics. Mike. I like principles over politics. And I know that it’s not good for long term, long term positions. I know that I’m aware of that. But

11:38
Mike, we’re 120 we’re clearly under don’t understand you make a claim, like and make a statement based on an observation and don’t even take the time

11:48
or the respect to call and ask a question. I don’t

11:52
I don’t need to call and respect if you’re supporting firearms at the Capitol. I don’t need I don’t I don’t know. For sure. That’s not what I’m talking about.

12:01
I’m talking about its appearance of that principle alone. That principle alone is not who I want representing me. Can you be?

12:15
Okay. I mean, that’s okay. I’m just saying like, I like would you rather have your representative stand down and allow them to close guns?

12:25
Would you rather have that now?

12:28
You’re picking the lesser of two evils. What’s your suggestion? Would you rather have that you’re suggesting the lesser of two evils? I’m asking you what would you rather have

12:41
spoke up against?

12:43
did speak.

12:45
When he issues an opinion that says careful Commission has this authority? You can you can keep it for 10. You can have him he just told us that you supported it. Well, it’s

12:56
not illegal, it is unconstitutional. Well, that is an argument. Maybe? Maybe to you, me, it’s arguable if you? Yeah, that’s not arguable to us. You know, like, there are certain things that like,

13:15
well, it doesn’t say right to bear arms. Unless you’re a felon. It doesn’t say right to bear arms. Unless you’re for capital does it right to bear arms? Like, it doesn’t say that. So yeah, we can be attorneys and play shades of gray. But we both know, we both know.

13:30
It’s morally wrong.

13:32
We both know it’s morally wrong situation at all.

13:39
Everybody say it now.

13:43
You and your colleagues

13:45
don’t have any

13:47
oversight? You’re gonna understand

13:51
it, we have no say, I understand that all our legislative officials would say no, then that would matter. I mean,

14:05
we can all stand up say no sign that sign a resolution saying no. And then close it goes to completely ticket. So

14:14
we everybody, we would put wheat and then hopefully, more people would get thrown out.

14:19
Hopefully part of it is right now. We just lost more right?

14:26
consequences electrojet 810. In general, then we have a different game of chance.

14:31
We

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could we could do this stupid and stubborn and folding arms say we disagree. And well, we don’t think we don’t buy our feet and

14:42
guns. And guess that’s what our principles aren’t weak or stupid or any of the things you’ve just described. I mean, we

14:52
were 120 years deep going against principles.

14:56
We got to kick it around some time. Like when are we going to kick this back around?

15:00
Like it’s not always losing never again. I disagree with that. Because you’re, you’re saying we’re getting more freedoms as we get news on. Say, you’re getting more, that’s what he’s implying.

15:13
He’s losing more fat, more freedom.

15:15
I’ve never gained the freedom.

15:18
You’ve been in office long enough the socialism socialism is creeping along. Yeah, right. Is that is that fair to say? Okay, so in civil liberties are eroding. I remember used to be able to drive in the back of the truck going down that road, seeing the stars at night, and I know you did, too. What happened to that, Mike, it was so damn dangerous that you got to that state has to take control that.

15:44
And

15:48
I’d rather see a politician go up there and say no, and lose, then go up there and say, oh, I’ll give a little bit and we’ll make the best of the situation.

15:59
That’s just my personal opinion. And I’m only represent myself here. And I only represent myself. And as a board. I’m representing a lot of precinct delegates now.

16:10
So dragging the whole damn county in a bad direction, you’ll end up having no influence on anything. Potentially. its potential. I’m not any dirt in debts potential. But I disagree. And I think the county is going to be this freedom beacon. Oh, yeah.

16:31
Totally. It may or may not. We don’t know, what’s that we got to try. You know, if we don’t try, then what happens? You know, it’s good to put that extra work in. I know, it’s hard to fight the system. I know how hard it is.

16:46
People like myself, the poor, poor folks. were fighting the system and fighting the money. Yeah, like we’re fighting the money. You know, we’re trying to get our voice in there. It’s hard.

17:02
But, but ultimately,

17:05
I didn’t write this.

17:08
I know, but I didn’t write this, but I suppose.

17:13
Either way,

17:15
it doesn’t matter either way.

17:19
You’re right.

17:21
Okay. I just think for people who

17:25
sensibly say they support the Constitution. Yep. So aggressive researchers. I’m suspecting you’re believers. Okay. If those two things are true, in both cases, yep. You don’t make you don’t make judgments in rulings without the accuser, hearing the evidence and being able to defend themselves. And this is a this is a statement and a ruling in a public statement without ever even reaching out and talking about a single ban one of them. So frankly, as far as I’m concerned, that is the Bible’s anti constitutional. It’s like imagine, okay, I respect your opinion.

18:02
But I tell you, is we didn’t get a damn call on some of this stuff, either. How? I mean, I haven’t we haven’t got a call from you in a very long time. Well, I think if I can interject, that’s kind of the issue is, you know, we have our meetings every month in the in this before we’ve been on. But you know, any legislation you vote one way or the other, any statement you have, you can come here and speak to all all of our party and say, Hey, this is why I took it. This is what when we don’t, you know, when we’re not even given the, you know, where your constituents and we’re not even explained, like, Hey, this is why I voted this way.

18:38
You know, we feel like, obviously, our opinion is invalid. So, and then on the other.

18:48
Maybe it was something I don’t know, if it’s, I don’t know how to do it. We just kind of get to everybody.

18:54
So we didn’t get rid of a representative democracy.

18:58
No, that’s not what we’re saying. We’re talking about on fundamental issues, civil liberties, things like that. Second Amendment, obviously, would be one of them. And so what we’re saying is, you know, at the monthly meeting, just like for state rep or county commissioner those positions, they have the chance come I voted this way. This is why so it’s not like, oh, every single day and give us the cause and like I just saw 2020 man 13 this is wild. This is freakin wild. You know, this is unbelievable, Mike, and in this seat here to go, Well, maybe we can go along to get along is absurd.

19:33
It’s absurd.

19:35
But I think what what this ultimately so there’s two things, there’s that but then the second would be that talk is inherently cheap. And actions are really all that matters. So sending out notices to

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a party. Yeah, certainly. So the point I’m trying to finish right here is that when someone votes a certain way, if it’s such a fundamental issue, then there’s really no explaining because

20:00
As actions speak louder than words or email and say, Hey, why’d you book this? I’m not gonna guess who needs to be referred to and who’s going to read needs to be permission. Yes. Very nice explanation.

20:12
And you look at my attendance record up until about a year ago.

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regularly

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do that. Yeah. When did when? Why do you think it became a shit show? I don’t like. I don’t know.

20:32
What happened. Is this the Washington designated?

20:37
Hi, Lansing, Lehigh blues politicians. This is the safe zone.

20:43
If you want to get in there, man.

20:45
I’d love to

20:48
have a town hall meeting or anything? Any in the near future? Yeah. I’ve got some concerns. I’d like to discuss with you who I’ve talked to Julia Xander.

21:01
You live in Jackson County? Yes.

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And

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what are you doing in Hillsborough? County? We’re talking these guys. Right. He represents those though. or part of your

21:13
branch. Okay. I thought I recognize you when he came in. But anyway, will you be planning it soon? Well, for you, it’d be a Jackson.

21:23
It that’d be good. You’re welcome to come to hotels republican meeting tomorrow, or tomorrow. Where is this going to be? Do you know where check of records is?

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Okay, um, it’s

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it’s so so. So church. So it’s a church. So such a self self ministry.

21:42
That goes by Hillsdale College. No. Next one over here. If you shoot me an email, I’ll give you the address or text or call in and that’s going to be when?

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at 6pm.

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To me, and even I am from Jackson County. I’m welcome.

22:00
Yeah.

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We got tacos. We got a taco bar and we got Margarita night. Well, I’m not into alcohol.

22:07
1333 years.

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Anyway, my smoking and drinking days were over when I turned 40. Yeah.

22:15
Yeah.

22:17
73. So I survived.

22:21
Dennis Cunningham. The last time I saw he was at the spring Arbor cafe.

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And

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we had some concerns that I discussed at that time, there was not that many people there. So I was able to

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get a lot of things off my chest. So anyway, I’m sorry to interrupt you.

22:42
But I think you’d be better off based on what you’re saying is to like a jacket.

22:46
Yeah, right.

22:48
Give me a call.

22:52
Trump.

22:56
Shut up.

22:59
He talks to you.

23:03
I was wondering if your attitude had changed since you had a meeting with Trump? I was enthusiastic supporter until he did that. Then I got pissed off.

23:17
Was it done on purpose? Oh, you think your date year? Oh yeah. It was called to actually be posted on Facebook. And then I just call to action to call me to give me to change the electoral assignments. None of all that did.

23:32
Was it did it? Did he take it down quick or something? Or like what happens up for three days? I got 4000 textbooks.

23:38
I didn’t see it. Did you see it?

23:41
None of us saw it. That’s crazy. You live in vandercook. Is it?

23:47
Are you coming from Ghana? No. I’m actually five miles and one mile east of last guy the big vertigo classroom. Yeah, he missed that.

23:58
But anyway,

24:01
I’ve got some things I’d like to talk over with you, Julie. I don’t know. I didn’t get very far with her. I don’t think

24:10
she’s a nice girl. Nor and when I was teaching the Hanover schools and so on her husband Jeff is a nice young man. And whatever. But anyway, I thought since you are the head honcho in the republican party or whatever it is in the Senate or the House of Representatives. Okay, that perhaps you would have a little more to say to me then maybe somebody else so anyway, I like I said I’d like to just as

24:37
I do, and did you want me to forward that to Trump?

24:41
That’s funny.

24:43
Okay, it’s nice to talk with you about a Coronavirus handshake.

24:50
Safe now I’m harmless.

24:54
Yeah, have you really very bad.

24:58
Just so much nicer.

25:00
Yeah, really well, someone was awful thing we’ve had to go through. And then the election sure didn’t top it off where he wanted to go either.

25:11
He’s named john James got US election stolen to

25:14
in Michigan. Oh, wait, cuz you didn’t you weren’t like big proponent of that. I mean, do you think there was lecture fraud? Well, there’s definitely

25:22
no, you think it was a small amount or something? Well, it’s typical. Just the normal.

25:29
What do you think? Why do you think there’s so much hype on it, then?

25:34
The reality is, we weren’t ready for the onslaught of early mailing votes. And they were just big bonuses of absentee ballots that

25:46
couldn’t be processed in time because I wouldn’t I’m in the process of morale. Okay. And that ended up being all those big interjections on election night and isn’t the next day.

25:57
Trump loves Michigan if

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you didn’t eat.

26:01
He had actually more votes on a percentage basis.

26:05
Oh, thank you. I did see Kenton county it was

26:10
anti Trump big time. Do you want me on the phone? Yes, please. Thank you.

26:17
Really. So there were 130,000 more votes for president in Wayne County? In 2016 430,000. Wow. Trim that 40,000.

26:30
Thank you.

26:38
So Giuliani couldn’t bring enough information to like evidence, certain things that

26:46
really?

26:50
What about like the poll watchers that were testifying and stuff like that? There was a 200 EPA get affidavits or whatever. That’s quite a bit affidavits, isn’t it? It’s quite a few observations. That’s

27:01
right. Look into most of them

27:04
are either misunderstandings and what they actually saw. Okay. There were some of them. They were inappropriate. The biggest problem was that everybody that was working there was under trained. And they were all asking questions.

27:23
very well could have gotten stronger. Georgia, Pennsylvania,

27:28
and maybe even Arizona.

27:31
Now, do you think

27:32
you think Dominion was anonymous? Or is that not? You don’t think that was it?

27:42
To talk about the interim county without good 6000 votes? Yeah.

27:47
that exact same predicament.

27:52
Put in some harder questions. Imagine. What did you hear about that? Well, actually, remember at the meeting, when Martin talked about those machines to know, she said, That’s why they didn’t want to use the heart machines either, actually, because there was that same machine. Yeah. And that’s why her

28:12
primary manifests.

28:14
So so in Marty’s professional opinion, she’s been a clerk for a while.

28:20
She says there’s election fraud in Michigan.

28:25
But she thinks that Trump

28:29
that if that it was stolen, like obviously, you think there was fraud, but not enough to overturn? She thinks there was heavy fraud? If it hadn’t been 80,000 bucks.

28:41
Okay, another another piece of data.

28:46
So,

28:48
Trump lost by 54,000 votes in Kent County, in every

28:55
just proof that people can split their vote because they just remember voting for five

29:01
right?

29:04
Yeah, that’s why similar thing happened and

29:08
we didn’t lose

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our seats.

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So why did the votes count stop and all that stuff? Like what you know, like, early morning, like I just told you?

29:23
Oh, really?

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Cuz I know, I remember that too, that everything’s going to bed and mess. Yeah.

29:31
So in September,

29:34
the bipartisan group

29:38
and they were begging to have a law change to allow them to free commerce, because they were expecting

29:47
to balance and they were worried about being able to process in the timeline and much of night.

29:52
We did allow them to three stage open up, open up envelopes. unfold.

30:01
She’s been in buckets, but I, I would not allow them to creep. How could we know that they can prevent really recording?

30:12
now and we’ll have time

30:15
to deal with a lot of them, particularly.

30:19
Now.

30:21
Why did they put the cardboard up on the windows?

30:25
Oh, it was just something they screwed up on. Me. They just it was on the motion in it set tcsc was so high. And it was caused by both sides. It wasn’t just

30:40
mostly

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related to I’m sorry, related to brain training. Yeah, I could see that.

30:49
I think people were going in with that.

30:54
What about the DC thing?

30:57
I was there.

30:59
So

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that’s why

31:03
not at all.

31:06
The day one day one that was off here and Lance was on the front line to do you know, if they went into before they went back? They did.

31:15
I already know that four separate buses. And that was all arranged by somebody who was funding it. That was right up on the gate. No, you

31:25
know, your bags were in the bag.

31:29
I was killed actually their own guards.

31:34
Why wasn’t there more security? Yeah, there was like 30 guards out back there.

31:41
was also a

31:43
good a good was DC. The mayor influence?

31:48
I think she’s just Yeah. Hi.

31:52
Mitch McConnell was hard. I was gonna say one, it was hard for

31:57
me how much scrutiny to have on staff. They wanted to have a mess. I know they want to do there’s no other way at the moment. Like they wouldn’t have had a

32:07
boss also recruited this group of people. And then I do believe and then because let me know if you guys have been caught up in her

32:16
career moms, you can get caught up and

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go

32:22
get into your gadgets.

32:26
Probably just got caught up in the motion of well, they had a guy with a loudspeaker up on that tower and the tower or everything in the back. And it was a large speaker hanging over Ron telling everybody what to do. reinforce this side reinforced that fly like going through over here.

32:48
It was definitely something to go. I’m sure it was

32:54
fantastic.

32:57
Yeah, like it was really interesting. It was like that. It was a surreal moment. Yeah. So

33:10
because I didn’t see someone get a rough. I didn’t see anybody punch a cop. I didn’t see anybody a cop a bunch of person.

33:21
Exactly. I wanna I want an answer. What did she do? She was breaking through a window, but I’m in every other area.

33:30
When people started to break through the barrier, they just got on the way let him go. Yeah, why? And that one case that one person never showed his face.

33:38
Also, there was a lot of people behind her how reckless is it is to shoot and I would hope it was a piece she was she was hot. She was in a window of a door.

33:49
I mean,

33:52
to me, it’s an honor female coming through a door and you got bunch of guards.

34:01
Right? How old was your camera?

34:10
How does this happen in government? Like you’re high up there?

34:14
How does this How does a show like this happen? Your high end government?

34:17
I don’t

34:20
know. What What do you mean? But what

34:26
do you think it’s the same thing that’s going on in Wall Street right now. Like a George Soros you

34:33
think people

34:35
like they’re a puppeteer and

34:44
GameStop

34:51
that was engineered by

34:53
the after effects that we’re

34:57
talking about? Are you allowed to talk about that?

35:00
Am I allowed to?

35:03
I don’t know much. So like I can have opinion is like you’re

35:08
being an insider, I just didn’t know, if you have capability. Like, if you knew something, you know, you’re supposed to be talking about it.

35:16
Yeah.

35:19
But you guys, about 5 million on a common platform. So somebody, you know, they’re all happy to

35:30
buy that stock.

35:33
But they didn’t know about a big English replica game, it’s just that there was a whole bunch of hedge funds as

35:41
soon as they start drilling at that price, it’s not uncommon for farmers to get their ass and see from what I understand those they knew what was gonna happen.

35:49
They knew that they were going to short those hedge funds are screwed in hedge funds, too. Anyway, that’s why they didn’t

35:55
do that. to the next point saying, I understand my point. Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, I didn’t think I knew what to do. Right, exactly. Now I want to regulate on

36:10
a dangerous road. Exactly. Like the chain chains on Wall Street against the little guy.

36:19
This means

36:24
you’re gonna stop shorting, I guess, maybe

36:27
not the millions of million dollars at the time, the action that was troublesome that somebody said,

36:33
yeah, that’s the route. That’s what that’s what I’m kind of getting that like, you just they just said, we’re not gonna freak out. Basically, this includes authority like what you can Exactly. So

36:45
that’s why I want to say he was talking about on both sides.

36:50
Just funny, because if the shoe was on the other foot, they’d never turn off Robin Hood.

36:55
You know, those regular people.

36:59
Alright, so you got to, you know, yeah, we can agree to disagree. And the gun thing, I think, protected everybody

37:12
to support determination Electoral College vote, our electoral college, one of the most important checks and balances that protect our republican democratic mob rule.

37:27
You know, why the electrical industry? Yeah, to set up a federal system that so we’d have a representative government to protect mob rule against mob rule to them in large, urban areas.

37:40
Determine everybody first dates in one to three days to New York and Los Angeles. So the Federalist

37:49
is an application to vote on.

37:53
What’s happening in

37:56
your city,

37:58
our votes where we live, if we don’t make a change, I don’t mean

38:03
get rid of

38:05
it. If we don’t have to change our votes will not count in 15 years. They don’t count right now.

38:12
They counted in 2017. fairly well.

38:17
But I’m telling you if we don’t make a change, and so the change is apropos, is removed from a winner take all thank you very much. Thank you.

38:33
It seems to be our electoral colleges,

38:37
mimics Nebraska, where winner of the majority winner whose congressional majority gets that. So like a smaller Electoral College within a state, right? It’s federal applying federalism now, not just nationally, but it seems like magic.

38:57
So that would have been fun to have a conversation about that before that one.

39:03
problem is we know we get the next part. Because nobody has, we just assume.

39:09
Yeah, but doesn’t the national popular vote initiative, give the electorate give all the electors to whoever wins the general election? I wouldn’t. I never voted for

39:19
the NP IV now that on

39:26
the support of expansion of Medicaid and the ushering of Obamacare into the state of Michigan.

39:34
So back in

39:36
2014,

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Michigan was

39:46
about $5 million of new Obama tax

39:51
people in Michigan as a setting the Washington DC, just setting the Washington

39:56
we were at the same time. Hey, all

40:00
Through insurance for about $2 billion worth of uncompensated care for all the health system.

40:08
So there was a part of there was a language enemy or prepare act that allowed states should they choose to move the qualification for Medicaid

40:20
I think was 110% of poverty level

40:25
and allow those people to qualify for Medicaid, which would, that would did, basically a premium

40:37
brought back of that text that we’re sending out, never gonna get back about 2.6 billion.

40:43
That covers our uncompensated care, and then some other things for that, for that population.

40:48
You painted all day long, and you want to,

40:54
frankly, I said, I consider the support level. So

40:57
what why why is government involved in health care in general? Well, that’s a different question. I’m just,

41:05
you know,

41:06
government, basically an agency?

41:11
Or like, why is government involved in insurance and all that type of shit? You know, I think I think it’s a problem. My opinion, why aren’t we getting out of it?

41:24
We’ll just keep going down the road again.

41:28
complete and utter explanation. Yeah. I made sure you understand.

41:37
The complete and utter surrender to Governor Whitmer in regards to your unconstitutional shutdown in small businesses,

41:50
inviting you to a fish by Donald Capital One, but I thought that she might want grass

41:58
and stool, the jobs. We’ve seen her 1414 of those five suits

42:07
spanker your heart on budget? spank your heart on appointment. We did everything we could constitution to do. But there’s a little luck. There’s a little work that you know, it’s kind of a mess. But to to change it well, even 20 to 36 on one

42:27
was going on with Republican Party man, what are they doing? What since

42:32
you elected governor like this? I was getting exactly what he deserved. Yeah. So what’s what’s going on with Republicans in general?

42:41
Like I mean,

42:44
your colleagues?

42:46
I mean, it’s not like everybody’s pissed off from the from the Republican side.

42:52
Well, yeah, I put out more content than anybody else in this community. Yeah. Well, I don’t do.

43:05
I grew up producing delegates from 20 to 70.

43:08
I think it does. Great. Maybe it works for me and not for you. I don’t know. I’m just saying like,

43:18
what I’d like to see what, what’s that? I said, What would you like to see?

43:28
Yeah, I would have felt like you’re human.

43:30
Yeah, I would have felt like you’re human.

43:33
Please give me your opposition. If I wasn’t known your position, I feel a vacuum. I mean, if I would have known your position on the Obamacare stuff. While I don’t agree with you in

43:46
a while I would have understood it. I still don’t support it. Because I don’t support any of that crap. I still don’t understand on the national popular vote. I thought you sponsored that bill in 2018. To join the compact Europe.

44:02
Yeah.

44:06
Why would I think that is that just

44:09
maybe I need to be totally out of committee because I have this idea of somebody who’s ready to go on the floor to put my planner.

44:19
Okay.

44:22
But it’s people like you guys, you just see snippets of matches, and then make it a pretty fabricated story.

44:28
So it’s unusual.

44:31
There’s little things

44:35
like the guns and we’re going to get to some more, I think, Oh, I mean,

44:40
abusing of taxpayer dollars to manipulate elections by creating paid political positions to help protegees in here.

44:49
My question is WTF. I don’t even know.

44:54
What is it? I’m assuming it’s the hiring of people like Andrew Fink.

44:59
I must

45:00
Assuming, I don’t know I didn’t write this.

45:03
Well,

45:05
you gotta know what you’re supporting. Well, any of these two issues is enough for me to support it. Where are you there? Sorry, girl. You say, you know,

45:18
I’m here to show you. They’re trying.

45:21
Okay, then that sort of say, I don’t disagree.

45:26
If somebody thinks that

45:33
somehow for some man, I mean, this isn’t rocket science, the cronyism gotta go

45:40
it’s gotta go, Mike.

45:44
Obamacare

45:47
anything to do with Obamacare or insurance is used to move all the other stuff is like you said all of it. When are we gonna take? When are we gonna take like 10%? Go you know what we’re gonna do something different here?

45:58
Like give an example.

46:01
state statutes state mandates we already know the state has too much power.

46:05
What

46:08
aren’t we working to? Yeah, yeah. dismantle that power? Yeah. What, like, what happens when a state mandate comes down for vaccinations? Like, what am I supposed to do just wait and see until Mike’s into it? until I see a press release from like, people used to say that the government?

46:26
Mike, I see 2020, I don’t

46:29
even know.

46:36
So we have to change them. And we’re going to use constitutional ways to do it. All we’re saying is that he’s the one that wears the crown, there’s ways that she can mandate a vaccine, I’m sure there’s something somewhere that you can do. And we have allowed attorney six months to fight it. And in the meantime, everybody’s gonna be shooting each other. That’s where my line is.

46:56
Mike, this is

46:58
maybe fix all the stuff

47:06
that’s going on? Oh, just a different thing.

47:11
We don’t have different indicators, I just have a different stance.

47:16
I have a different perspective on reality and how to make the changes because you can’t you can’t walk in with a gun and say change this.

47:24
So it also can’t just give a little bit give a little bit to get along. Because sooner or later that little bit little bit.

47:32
The fact that you you would have preferred you would prefer to have guns completely banned as the camera I can’t help you there because I don’t think

47:44
I would prefer them to try to do it. If they did it. People really got to

47:50
get along or they’re going to carry you

47:56
know

47:58
I’m saying

48:00
here you’re

48:04
you know, what make it more of a stance is if you did it

48:08
because there’s 12 other states including Texas, Oklahoma and Alabama.

48:14
Which have to do without which I have to do anything. has everything to do those things have nothing to do with Michigan. Nothing

48:25
in Michigan

48:28
he should he challenges at the local courthouse.

48:31
Right now.

48:35
It’s his duty to do so.

48:37
You’re ready to do duty. It’s your duty to pay my dues. Mike we we were not going to do it no more. We’re not going to go along to get along.

48:51
Here’s what I’ve got.

48:55
That didn’t happen. Is that Sam Sam for I mess that up saying that you supporting that? Yeah, God.

49:08
Did you already pay? No.

49:12
All right. 95%. Sir, I didn’t co sponsor but I didn’t make that motion.

49:21
I remember just because I remember the conversation with you in return at a at a meeting. I love iOS.

49:28
It was before me.

49:35
Yeah, Mike, I mean,

49:37
like,

49:39
it’s not just you like, we’re gonna push out anybody that goes along to get along and we’re trying we’re gonna we’re gonna we’re gonna do everything we can.

49:48
You know, but all I say is practice what you preach. If you’re going to make accusations of charging someone the very least is present their evidence you know when you have a chance to ever be in court.

50:00
Unless you don’t unless you

50:03
know you did. We didn’t send that to you. No, I had to get it from somebody else. We sent an email like, I guarantee you I didn’t get that from Republican.

50:13
Mighty. That’s the only way you did get it. No, I got it. Well, the thing coffin is you do

50:19
that your assistant? I got it from somebody else well before you send it to our office? No.

50:26
Not for me then

50:30
you only send it out once. You only send it out once. Yeah, that’s it.

50:39
Didn’t don’t. So there’s no other way. So Ben got it. That’s who I was dealing with? Is our person. Right? Is that not appropriate? You’re making my point? What’s up? Would you send it to Ben Kaufman?

50:52
I send it to our members.

50:55
Once it goes, That’s That’s it? No, no. Damn. Well.

51:00
I mean, unless it’s unless our Google suite is unchecked, where there’s like the wrong person in the blisters often, that could be clerical error. I don’t think so. Is it goes to our members. How many members? No, no, it went to precinct delegates. All right. All right. So

51:22
listen, this isn’t me. This is our precinct delegates mine

51:28
wouldn’t have happened.

51:30
Wouldn’t have the gall?

51:32
No, no. I’m telling you, Mike. It’s a take it. I don’t care. I’m telling you that the process

51:40
is contrary to what you think and you say and you extensively support? Well, I think

51:45
you might be a little

51:48
confused. I think it’s called this came together until proven guilty as I think the motion is called. Right. And you’re just you’re just upset that you got it from another source. Right? No, I’m upset that you sent it out at all without having a strong premises. We

52:03
are piecing.

52:05
We all put it together. Yeah.

52:13
I don’t think you do. And that’s it. And it’s comical.

52:19
But that’s not how it works.

52:22
I won’t put up with it personally.

52:29
Ah,

52:31
I still don’t get why this. This other one says you co sponsored. So you didn’t co sponsor? Oh, they’re lying. I’m gonna go. I’m gonna go pull up the record and find out. Okay. Because I mean, you said in this quote, you co sponsored it. So you’re sitting here telling me that you didn’t do it. And then I pull up something where you admit to do it. Now you’re saying, oh, maybe I did. I’m not sure. So you’re already backtracking. This is why we’re here because you’re a liar. This is what we’re mad about this whole thing. I’ve been polite. We’ve been kind of beating around the bush and like can you prove this Can you prove that the truth is you’re just another politician who will say one thing to get us to get off the bat

53:08
Well, maybe I can’t maybe because I actually have this thing you don’t have which is called the integrity That’s right. We don’t we don’t have consumers not consumers

53:18
we don’t have any big money

53:23
I didn’t say that you got consumers money what’s the implication that consumers those banks politicians No

53:35
no, I’m well I didn’t know I didn’t say I respect you you’ve lived in this 10 minutes or whatever. That’s what I’m saying. We don’t have the corporation’s support us and

53:46
be honest with you. We don’t want it Mike. And we’re not gonna go on to get along. We’re done with it.

53:54
You know, we’re done with that. We want to bully Go ahead. And if that’s a bully, then that’s a bully. Just go ahead. And you know, call me a bully. Like, I call you a pussy if you call me a Bogan.

54:08
And I didn’t say that you took consumers money either.

54:12
Well, you deferred that I’m a bully.

54:18
My,

54:20
well, this is gonna happen tomorrow.

54:23
You know, Hey, no.

54:26
Okay. Well, you should care. You got 46,000 people in this county that care.

54:33
You should care about the republican party and Hillsdale. You should care Mike.

54:38
You should listen to us once in a while. We don’t like to. You’re not a victim. Every time I talk to you, it’s like you’re a victim.

54:47
No, that’s that’s it’s a personality thing. The last time you talked to me and you’ve never talked

54:52
to me came around. I’ve heard everything I need to know right here about your honesty. I mean, no, keep it real. Every time I talk to you

55:00
Have this victim, you grabbed me about the shoulder, you got this victim, you walk away pissy. You got this attitude as if I owe you.

55:11
I don’t? Nothing.

55:15
You’re in position for us.

55:22
Okay, that’s fair to say, Mike, you’re doing the best you can do. And I’m not gonna call

55:28
the temperature on 370,000 people.

55:33
Okay, that’s so bad. Well, I mean, we’re doing that within our own party structure, trying to figure that out ourselves. We get any district,

55:41
county zoning district.

55:44
I mean, really, all you gotta do is call these counties publican party, and how it’s set up.

55:50
Yeah, it is. You say you got to call us 270. Whatever. Like, why not just call the Republican parties that people don’t

55:59
know, Mike, because you could you take an arm behind your name. You didn’t take a deep behind your name.

56:04
You took an arm behind your name. That’s a corporate name. It’s not like Christianity in a church. Mike. What’s your point? The point is

56:14
no, but you take the are under your name.

56:18
You do. Right.

56:21
Well, it’s not exclusive to Hillsdale the other communities are upset like other Republican parties are upset. It’s not just us. It’s not just 20 people.

56:32
I just went to McComb County.

56:35
They’re really upset.

56:38
About 2020. Mike. They’re upset.

56:44
So I mean,

56:46
you’re not a victim. He’s the one that wears the crown. You’re going to you know,

56:51
yes. You’re not right now you’re not usually you do.

56:56
Yes. And it’s

56:58
I know it’s offensive. I know. It’s hard to do. You know.

57:03
It’s not it’s just inconsistent.

57:07
exactly opposite of what you represent. It’s okay to disagree. Yes. I understand.

57:15
I’m confused and how you think it’s the opposite of what we represent. Like I said.

57:20
So make the accusation. Just have a conversation? Well, I did make that determination and you lie about it. So

57:32
we already went down a couple things. And we already liked the guns as a prime example.

57:38
Okay, Jesus, that’s that’s tough to do.

57:42
A lot of atrocities to get off your hands first.

57:46
Like, obviously, we didn’t we don’t know the insides of the Trump election. We don’t.

57:53
We know some something’s not right.

57:57
We know it. We feel it. Like, from a spiritual standpoint. You feeling something and knowing something? Yeah.

58:06
Sure. can do both? you could you could do both. Yeah. But feeling doesn’t prove

58:12
the point. I said, it can’t be both. Yeah. Feeling doesn’t

58:19
know what helps you to get the sucker. And why is that the second edition be the first and then you feel that you’re

58:28
sort of you have your knowledge and your evidential proof? Why can’t you feel that that is correct? Oh.

58:40
So when I went to DC, trouble

58:44
to put

58:46
Giuliani on conference call?

58:48
Yes, I

58:50
was close to

58:55
you, Julie on Facebook will do the same

58:59
explanation as he did, but

59:02
I had to interrupt this

59:05
endeavor did I

59:08
do? Yeah.

59:11
Are you going to file suit initially? never answered the question three times. He never did.

59:19
So, you know, my question did last.

59:23
There’s all kinds of claims and all kinds of circumstances and all kinds of things that’s look really strange. questions were asked

59:30
in their evidence, just like the dominion.

59:36
We met when machines enter recounting their numbers, and they did an entire state of Georgia recount

59:45
and if it helps

59:49
match them perils of

59:55
imagine how that callback can therefore be wrong. And they’ve not recovered yet.

1:00:00
If it was more than point 001?

1:00:09
I don’t know. I don’t know.

1:00:11
Well, I can enter.

1:00:19
As far as tomorrow goes, you’re going to be able to speak in front of the executive committee. And it’s, like I said, I mean,

1:00:28
you know, it gives you, you know, if you want to try to, if you want to, if you want to try to,

1:00:35
you know, give them what you got, you know, I commend you. I mean, I can only say, that’s a good thing. You know, I, it’s, it’s not convincing me, it’s convincing. The Christian delegates here.

1:00:48
You know, it’s not about just me. It’s these precinct delegates.

1:00:52
I am. Yeah, we got we all got influence here. You know, trying. Yeah. Just like you doing the best we could do. You know, and that’s what we’re doing.

1:01:05
But we, you know, the difference between a rhino

1:01:09
and a NEO con, right, you know, and a constitutionalist.

1:01:14
We’re looking for some more constitutionalist on the boards.

1:01:19
What’s so bad about that?

1:01:21
what’s what’s what’s so what why is there so much fight against it?

1:01:27
No, no, that’s I didn’t say that.

1:01:31
What is wrong with supporting more constitutional based ideology as far as getting more constitutional someplace? What is wrong with that?

1:01:55
Just imagine,

1:01:58
you know, I looked at his voting record there.

1:02:02
Well, I told you, I looked at his voting record, and I looked at yours too. And I think your voting record is, is pretty damn good.

1:02:11
And but Justin Amash was actually I couldn’t believe it. I was like, wow, this guy’s I just don’t, Lance. I was like, surprised that he was it was really good. You know, like, I couldn’t believe

1:02:25
it. Well, that’s that’s it. Sometimes you gotta vote. No.

1:02:31
I mean, yeah. I think our government’s big enough. Yeah.

1:02:35
Well, what are you supposed to

1:02:37
get done? We need things repeal.

1:02:41
Yeah, that’s I’m saying like this. So this is where real real the real rub is, where we don’t go along to get along. And we’re, we’re, like, fed up with that. We’re gone a lot of years this way.

1:02:52
A lot of years, 120 years now, or 115 years, or whatever it is now, Mike, what do?

1:03:01
You don’t so?

1:03:04
I don’t know. We don’t know. If we don’t try my

1:03:07
gonna be any worse.

1:03:10
It can’t be worse. Obviously, if we don’t succeed, what we’re doing is gonna go back to the way it was the way it was.

1:03:18
It doesn’t matter.

1:03:20
Either what we’re doing doesn’t matter. Like then. Or we’re either going to change something, that’d be cool. Or we’re not going to change anything, which is the same as now all we’re out is the time we put in.

1:03:33
So that’s how we look at it. So please come talk to the precinct delegates that

1:03:40
I’m sure they’d like to hear from you. We’re going to have tacos and margaritas.

1:03:45
They’re gonna have we’re gonna have tacos and margaritas. And

1:03:49
we’re gonna work.

1:03:52
Is that just a

1:03:54
yes or no business is starting to six business milestones. Yeah.

1:04:03
Gotcha.

1:04:09
Well, I don’t know which one you got. And then email it’s

1:04:13
Yeah, it’s on there. It’s in there. So um, you mean in the Margarita time flyer? Yeah, it’s in there. Um,

1:04:22
yeah, it’s six o’clock. And

1:04:27
I don’t know. That’s it six o’clock, what time it starts. And then

1:04:32
we got two guest speakers. We got Curtis condone

1:04:36
Condon. And then we got Brandon Hall. So his guest speakers as well. So

1:04:46
I’d recommend

1:04:48
it do do therefore the social I’m sorry, do what I said because

1:04:57
let them go first. Oh,

1:05:00
Check it out. So we’re gonna have our business meeting, you’re part of that business meeting. And then we’re gonna have party night.

1:05:07
So it’s

1:05:10
just the opposite of what you have. Yes. Yes, the same concept. That’s why I was thinking I knew that when I was confused, like you were,

1:05:17
I guess,

1:05:19
the same page as him. Yeah, so we’re having a bit of Venus six. And that’s getting taken along. And then we’re having a party, could you just do it the opposite way? They used to?

1:05:29
Oh,

1:05:35
636 45, whatever, whatever it takes. So the party or the business is done with the party.

1:05:43
Right? Yeah. And if anybody wants you to just come to the business, they can leave.

1:05:49
I don’t want

1:05:54
to be respectful of that.

1:05:57
Show. We’re not gonna we don’t we don’t run the meetings like that. Yeah, we’re not, we’re not doing it. Like, dude, you’re missing out. So yeah, the whole idea has been to restore order. So if you do want to come speak, then people aren’t interrupting you being rude, that kind of thing. Because when I was just there to watch, you know, for, like, represent Wales, or for instance, you know, they interrupt him stuff. I don’t stand for that stuff. You know, like, I stand on and stuff. Yeah. So that’s what I’m saying is if you’re thinking just, yeah, or a county commissioner, whoever it’s like they have a floor. If you have a question, of course, you have the right to ask it, but it’s not going to be people just interjecting all throughout the crowd. No, I don’t like that. Oh, no. In fact, you’re not gonna there’s not gonna be rebuttals and talking back and forth. Yeah. It’s, you know, it’s your opportunity to come speak and you got this. In fact, this is actually more like, got the ears out and shit.

1:06:49
But you got you, you got it?

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Well, when you when you copy and paste from different types of things, that it moves things around and whatnot, but regardless,

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you’re going to have opportunity to speak in it. That’s essentially what you’re calling your trial, if you will, that you’re calling it, you know, and

1:07:12
that’s it, man. I mean, I don’t know. So, you know, you got a lot of, there’s gonna be a lot of PC delegates there that don’t want to hear from you. You know, and I think, I think that’s your opportunity. And I think, be honest with you, I think it’s gonna be something new for everybody. All of us. I don’t think it’s, I don’t think it’s gonna be something we have ever experienced. You know, when hopefully, cooler heads will prevail. You know?

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We got some good people there. Really do. It’s not 20 militia people or 20 routines there. And I know that’s how it gets labeled. Because it’s not the label just by you. It’s labeled by like Walberg or whoever locales or whatever.

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So

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that’s what

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I mean, we’re gonna have 100 people there.

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I think. I mean, we had 100 people at our last meeting.

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As soon as the business meeting over

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Yeah.

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So

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but it is it is, like I said, I’m not here to defend this. I’m here to because you asked me to be here. So I’m here.

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I thought I’d get that respect of having that kind of conversation. So I called it nice for you to show up. Yeah.

1:08:30
So you’re ready, guys. You guys ready to roll?

1:08:37
With me?

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Yeah, I appreciate it.

1:08:52
No?

1:08:54
Okay. You want to go?

1:08:56
Oh,

1:08:58
oh.

1:09:00
Did you hear about Bob sorry.

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So,

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week and a half or about two weeks ago, Bob goes up to the county building. And they got security up there for the

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longest walk in the grocery industry ever tried to start

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in did like one of these and balance it I’m not so don’t touch each other in his phone.

1:09:25
So he calls the police just to get it under report.

1:09:29
There’s nothing there. It’s all whatever.

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Yesterday, the cop that took three court calls.

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It says you got to warn him.

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So nobody put a warrant out for an assault on Bob.

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about them touching him.

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So

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I

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had to get my phone out the door

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that’s my appointment.

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Why don’t you

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Why don’t you sit there

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no scan. Oh when I say scanner man

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are you kidding me right?

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Now I’m going

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to call your

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graph I’ll take downs right